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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Dec 31, 2008 5:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

I was 13 in January 1967, not quite fitting in Westlake, just below S.F.'s suburban southwest border.

Riding in my Mom's car along the nearly empty 6 lane highway going nowhere, half-listening to the radio...

suddenly a sound emerged from the tiny speaker at soft volume that grabbed me by the ears.

On that first listening, I knew it was something new.
Not just a new song with a catchy hook...

It's hard to listen to it now and realize just how different it sounded at the time.

While Mom went to Penny's, I stopped by the record store at the Westlake mall and bought "Light My Fire" that same day.

I was one of those kids - too young to be allowed to party with the pack, or too old to be allowed to join the party - as happened many times to me throughout my life until they finally came and put me out of my misery...
nonetheless I knew something new and different - and good - when he heard it.

Similar thing happened when I first heard the Beatles, also on AM radio, which I had on constantly from 1962-1969.
Instant replayer.

My extended family included several cousins a few years older than me who used records like icing on the cake of their kissing parties.
They were a few months too young to have been die-hard Elvis fans, but they were definitely too old to have immediately realized how totally different (and yet, retro) The Beatles were.

I think that's sort of like what happened to the Grateful Dead (family) in 1967.
They (and Jerry Garcia) played a few '66/'67 gigs with teen age garage punk bands (for lack of a better description) such as Oxford Circle and namely The Doors (Jan 13-15, 1967).
That mid-January show was barely a week following The Doors BGP debut in SF, which even wolfgang's vault descibes glowingly:
"...the first time L.A. band The Doors play the Fillmore. The packed crowd was dumbfounded by the music, and a love affair between the band and San Francisco commenced immediately."

I don't think, therefore, "tinny" was the problem...
though elsewhere I've read that the best early Doors concerts were not the ones that were recorded or well attended...
I forget which of the Doors admitted they had difficulty getting their sound right early on at live shows, with the notable exception being... sorry I don't recall exactly which Doors shows were supposed to have been really good, might have been the Whiskey in early '67.



I was aware of the psychedelic music scene going on over a few hills away, mainly from the posters stuffed inside small envelopes
my dad sent me in letters stuffed with folded Family Dog flyers (8x10) during late '66 through early '67.

I guess he picked them up at Hut T-1 at State College (SFSU) (he taught at Hut T-4).
Maybe he got them from The Tides (Sausalito book store) and City Lights Books in North Beach, 2 other ticket outlets he dropped by regularly for the bulletin board action.

But my dad didn't go to the shows at the time, prefering to spend his money on travel.
We finally helped him sneak into the last Bill Graham show at the Fillmore West/Carousel Ballroom. That's another story...

I had a paper route in '66 -'67, earning me around $25 a month, mainly spent on old comic books but also on a handful of LPs and a short stack of singles
I tried to win a free ticket from KYA (San Francisco AM radio station) to see The Beatles at Candlestick Park in '66 (their last live show together) but mainly,
the music I experienced in '63 - '68 was from:

1. family & friend's collections (who usually had better or more records than me, including selections such as:

Tom Lehrer "That Was The Year That Was" (1965) - a live album recorded at the hungry i in San Francisco, satiric topical songs Lehrer originally wrote for the NBC television series That Was The Week That Was;

The Creed Taylor Orchestra/Kenyon Hopkins "Shock" (1958), "Panic" (1959), "Nightmare!!" (1962);

An Evening with Boris Karloff and His Friends (1967);

MAD Twists Rock 'n' Roll;
(etc.)

2. TV (Shindig, Hollywood Palace, Where The Action Is, Hullaballoo, Ed Sullivan, guest apps. on regular series, specials)/
Movies (A Hard Day's Night, The T.A.M.I. Show [1964 concert film]

3. Top 40 Radio (AM. It wasn't until '69 that I heard FM, and only for a few seconds at a time - my impatient friends with that radio couldn't stand the preponderance of talk on KSAN)

"Light My Fire" -
which version did I hear that sunny late afternoon in Jan 1967?

7:06 (album version) - not even remotely possible.
4:40 (long radio version) - intriguing possibility!
3:07 (single version)

"Light My Fire" - originally recorded in August 1966 and released in January 1967. The song was largely written by Robby Krieger, and credited to the entire band.

A live version was released in 1983 on their album Alive, She Cried, the first of several live or compilation albums released in subsequent decades to include the song.

The song is #35 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time. It was also included in the Songs of the Century list and was ranked number 7 in VH1's 100 Greatest Songs of All Time list.


Origins and radio edits
The song originated as a Robby Krieger unfinished composition, which the other band members then expanded upon.
There was also a radio edit that was shortened to just under five minutes with about half the instrumental portion in place, released only to radio stations. Indeed, the band always stated that their preferred version was the original long version, while the shorter ones were solely produced at their company's request in order to be able to receive radio airplay.



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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 1, 2009 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Ha! Tom Lehrer at the Hungry I!

What a great comedian/mathematics nerd...

Loved him; good post.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Feb 16, 2009 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Saw the Doors in Nov. 1967, at Winterland.
It was one of the finest shows I've ever attended.

Trying to shake loose the memory of the opening act, seems like it was Procol Harum, but that was a long time ago, and I could easily be wrong, but even if it was a different night, I do recall Procol Harum being the most boring act I'd ever seen up until that time, maybe still.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2009 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

OK, edsel...what's with the six weeks lag time?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 16, 2009 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

hey, what IS time & space? I just saw the Doors...live in person a week ago

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2009 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

You may have something there...I recently read a post by Dire that was within a few days of my first post here and that seemed like a space that was some time other than recent...maybe Dire's complaints about Global Warming have upset the Time/Space continuum...maybe it's like the Good Spock meeting the Evil Goateed Spock? Like, that's not supposed to be good, right?

Or maybe like the time someone here posted as someone else and all HELL broke loose...

Dunno...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Feb 16, 2009 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

REALLY living in the "present" is rather mmmm...scary(?)
time seems to be irelevent....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_ndsDwE4U

Kick out the windows bust down the doors
We're drinking half gallons like never before
You gotta take off your shoes Mama let yourself go
Tonight we're gonna let these good times roll
We're gonna boogie till the rooster crows
We're gonna party till the cows come home
Let it roll ... Well, let it roll ... Let it roll ... Let it roll ...


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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 16, 2009 8:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Uh-oh...that second to the last line is gonna get Dire's attention, although at his house, the party usually REALLY gets started once the COWs do get there...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Dec 31, 2008 11:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Nice post cpw! I'm glad to hear that someone else remembers the TV show "That Was The Week That Was". That brings back some memories! My family watched that show whenever it was on back then. And all those other shows you mentioned like the TAMI show, Hullabaloo, Shindig, Where The Action Is, Ed Sullivan and my favorite one back then, The Smothers Brothers who always had the best anti-system comedy and music. The Doors were even on there one time with Robbie Kreiger sporting a black eye and a missing tooth from being beaten before the show by a service man back from Vietnam who didn't like his looks. Remember "Tea Time With Goldie", the hippie chick who was always high? Of course they got cancelled...
I always loved "Light My Fire" That song was a big part of the whole soundtrack of the 60's. While not my favorite band by any stretch, (too dark I guess) I certainly grew up on their music and had all of their albums back in the day. Besides Light My Fire I always loved "Crystal Ship" which I feel to be Morrison's best lyrics. (written on Owsley acid BTW) They were a good "singles" band, well crafted songs like most of the stuff that came out of L.A. in those days, and they were certainly speaking for the more violently anti-war side of the culture in songs like 5 To 1 and Peace Frog.
I came to hear all that music back then through my older brother who was into everything cool musically and turned me on to all that stuff. We used to go in halves on records beginning with Rubber Soul. You grew up in a different place, but a lot of our experiences sound similar. Thanks for sharing your memories!

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Poster: Crazy Chester Date: Jan 1, 2009 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

I remember the re-runs...lol I was born in 72 so I'm sill a pup but wouldn't that be a hoot to see Jim & Ray om Pete Seegers Rainbow! LOL
I just relish those old tv shows and have many on disc and watch all the time so I'm up on the Jive from Time-to-time...
I'm out.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Feb 16, 2009 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Tea Time with Goldie!
Was she the3 gal on the Smothers Brothers who did running gags on pot, roaches and all?

One show that lasted one episode and was yanked off the air so fast most of us missed it - Turn On!

It was called... Turn On!

But the networks and sponsors about had a heart attack!


A virus knocked out my main pc for weeks (still struggling to fix it meself) or would have read and replied to your great reply weeks ago.

Thanks Sky, and thanks to the others who took the time to read my memories.

Not a big Doors fan either, but they did make an impression on me as a teenybopper...


I found the Doors performance I hadn't seen since '67 -- where Jim bugs out on TV.

I tried to improve the sound a bit at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h75MiZmYwv4

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Feb 16, 2009 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

Goldie, (real name Leigh French), was a member of the underground San Francisco comedy troupe "The Committee". She was a genuine freak that showed up in the audience one show and was interviewed on camera by Tommy Smothers. Tommy had taken notice of her in the studio audience and decided to do an interview with her as he walked among the audience. Her rap was so funny they made her a regular on the show in " Share A Little Tea With Goldie", as "Goldie Keef."
She used to get a lot of stuff past the censors who were unfamiliar with a lot of dope culture expressions, how to get rid of "unsightly roaches" and her greeting of "Hiiiiiigh!"

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Poster: jimnull Date: Jan 1, 2009 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: did any of you old heads go to any DOORS shows?

yes, was at UCLA, AROUND TIME OF 1ST doors release, my roommate and I pretended to be members of the lighting crew, got into Ciros, a 50's style nightclub o Sunset. hours later saw a wonderful night of music. The Peanut Butter Conspiracy opened for them. good set, small venue. NOT the dead or janis at the avalon. Still good music.